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Titel: Hottentottaling hybride?
Bericht door: Alcedo atthis op april 20, 2009, 12:09:57 pm
Pictures from 2009

http://waarneming.nl/foto/view/663650

http://waarneming.nl/foto/view/663648

http://waarneming.nl/foto/view/663425

Picture from 2005 from the same place (can this be the same bird?:

http://waarneming.nl/foto/view/2793

In all pictures the bird does show a grey rear end and does not show the dirty cheek patch of hottentot teal- compare with this hottentot teal:

http://waarneming.nl/foto/view/299239

on the other hand the bill is all blue and looks not as massive as in silver teal (or puna teal )

compare with silver teal:

http://www.pbase.com/jaap_vink/image/109320070


and with a hybrid silver x hottentot teal:

http://waarneming.nl/foto/view/7789


Titel: Re: Hottentottaling hybride?
Bericht door: Alcedo atthis op april 23, 2009, 17:10:55 pm
Nobody with experience of these species to comment?

Jan Harteman, where are you?

Titel: Re: Hottentottaling hybride?
Bericht door: Alcedo atthis op april 25, 2009, 12:28:53 pm
Leo, I donīt think the bird you linked is a hybrid - it looks more like an Intersex. I explained and gave a link in the thread referring to that bird.

For the bird I linked here, I also asked Ian Gereg, a waterfowl breeder from USA about his thoughts.
He also thinks that bird is Hottentot taling x Versicolortaling (Hottentot teal x Silver teal), he also specifies that he assumes this bird here to be a male while the Texel bird to him seems to be a female hybrid (or perhaps a young bird).

He also wondered about the unusual amounts of hybrids we have here in middle Europe among the probable escapes and states he thinks there must be some breeders who just release hybrids.

Thatīs in line with my own thoughts.
Titel: Re: Hottentottaling hybride?
Bericht door: Jan Harteman op april 29, 2009, 08:50:33 am
Sorry for the very late comments... I have been quite busy for the last weeks.
Anyway, I guess it might be a hybrid hottentota x versicolor.