Observation international
Informatie => Observation.org => Topic gestart door: Erik van Dijk op september 01, 2018, 11:09:39 am
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All contributions for improvements are welcome. Thank you :duim:
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Homepage - Transect Monitoring:
1. Is there a reason to choose the American spelling "traveled" instead of the English "travelled"? :right:
2. Third last paragraph: how much research do you have to make to discover a species if it is present :wrong:
how much research do you have to DO to discover IF A SPECIES is present :right: DT: changed accordingly (this screen has a cache of one day, so the changes I made yesterday are visible only now)
There are a couple of other minor issues - do you want the text in perfect English or is "bruikbaar" okay?
James (native speaker and English teacher) :blink:
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thanks James - ANY help is appreciated, also minor items.
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This is my provisional version of the Transect Monitoring text - I would need to see the original Dutch text before I was completely happy about it.
James
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Some small possible improvements that I've found, with varying degrees of necessity.
On the home page, under Today: xxx Number of Species -> xxx Recorded species :right: but cached, so check tomorrow
On the "new observation (https://observation.org/obs/create)" page, under Activity: Longterm stay -> Long-term stay :right:
Under Settings (https://observation.org/user/settings/67487): "Minimum 5 characters, no spaces. Starting with a character" -> "Minimum 5 characters, no spaces. Starting with a letter" :right:
Same page: "real name" (should that be changed to "name"?): "First name surname or initials surname example(s) P. Brown, David Smitd" -> First name, surname, surname with initials. For example: P. Brown, David Smith" :-X can't change this myself will ask
Same page: "show time along my observation" -> "Display time of my observations" (or something) :right:
Under the header "My data": "Check lists" -> "checklists" :right:
PS. The "Help" section is under construction? I can write a first draft, if you want?
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This is my provisional version of the Transect Monitoring text - I would need to see the original Dutch text before I was completely happy about it.
James
I would have to ask if such a Dutch original tekst exists
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PS. The "Help" section is under construction? I can write a first draft, if you want?
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DT: thanks - will ask if still relevant (because of redesign). Edit: this will greatly change in the new version so please hold.
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Original TEXT exists :police: ;D Do you want me to have a look at some of the older news posts on the homepage?
James
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a typo in the typo section :lol:
I would leave old items as there are. thanks
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https://observation.org/users_rollen.php
Explaining the different staff functions
validator = Person can validate all observations of the assigned species group
mapper = Person can modify and submit polygones of area's
expert = Can create and alter species texts
taxonomist = Can create and modify species
translator = Can translate texts and species names.
committee = Person is a member of an external committe
area's -> areas :right:
committe -> committee :right:
Also, it'd be better to start every sentence in the same manner. There's a dot where there isn't supposed to be one. All corrections applied: :right:
Explaining the different staff functions
validator = A person who can validate all observations of the assigned species group
mapper = A person who can modify and submit polygones of areas
expert = A person who can create and alter species texts
taxonomist = A person who can create and modify species
translator = A person who can translate texts and species names
committee = A person who is a member of an external committee
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what about this: (in comment section)
"the reciever speaks a different language: English"
wouldn't "observer" be better ?
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what about this: (in comment section)
"the reciever speaks a different language: English"
wouldn't "observer" be better ?
Het zou hoe dan ook 'receiver' moeten zijn.
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At: https://observation.org/ranks_v2.php
If you do not see your own numbers or are they outdated? Start your lifelist
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If you own ranking is not shown in the ranking or is the total of your total outdated? Click here to start or update your ranking.
The same link should be added to the other two ranking links for consistency.
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@Lukas - polygons doesn't have an "e". :right:
@Erik - if your own ranking is not shown or the total (all species groups)is outdated, click here to start or update your ranking.
James
@James Even better :duim:
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Great initiative.
To start with the description of this very board ('Observation.org'):
Sightings in the world (outside Belgium & The Netherlands) can be introduced in Observado.org. You can use your account of waarneming.nl, waarnemingen.be
This text should be either removed or replaced by one that actually describes what this board is about.
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Thanks
Please propose any changes - I feel unconfortable with 'Sightings' but hey, not native speaker ;)
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Sightings in any country outside Belgium and the Netherlands can be recorded on Observado.org. You can use your Waarneming account (Waarneming.nl or Waarneming.be).
James
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thanks Again -
Erik can you plz. edit this ?
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(Waarneming.nl or Waarneming.be).
Waarnemingen.be!
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But what I was also trying to say was that that line should describe what that forum board is about, not about how to use Observation.org. (Cf rest of board descriptions)
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Thanks
Please propose any changes - I feel unconfortable with 'Sightings' but hey, not native speaker ;)
I checked E-bird. They use both "observation" and "sighting". Birdguides uses sighting.
https://www.birdguides.com/sightings
So no problem, although I prefer observation,
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Sightings in any country outside Belgium and the Netherlands can be recorded on Observado.org. You can use your Waarneming account (Waarneming.nl or Waarneming.be).
James
I already tried to modify this text, but somehow I can not access it.
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This may sound a bit pedantic....
A sighting is seeing something when you are outside, a record is when you record the sighting (for instance on Waarneming). They are often used loosely as synonyms. Have a look at the text under Casual Records, particularly the last sentence -
https://www.bto.org/volunteer-surveys/birdtrack/taking-part/recording-your-sightings
I would avoid observation.
James
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This may sound a bit pedantic....
A sighting is seeing something when you are outside, a record is when you record the sighting (for instance on Waarneming). They are often used loosely as synonyms. Have a look at the text under Casual Records, particularly the last sentence -
https://www.bto.org/volunteer-surveys/birdtrack/taking-part/recording-your-sightings
I would avoid observation.
James
www.sighting.org :angel:
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While trying to add an observation of a mollusc I ran into the following flaws:
Under Appearance: cuttle-fish -> cuttlefish
Under Method: "trush smithy" -> "thrush smithy"
"in relation with": There's a (https://wnimg.nl/static/ico/help.png) that's empty. Suggestion: "If you found the species in a symbiotic relationship with another species, enter it here"
At the (https://wnimg.nl/static/ico/help.png) after "method": "... determinate ..." -> "... identify ..."
When hovering the cursor over the (https://wnimg.nl/static/img/geolocation.png) symbol in the map: "Find mij location" -> "find/use my location"
after "until": "If you want to hide this observation ..." -> "If you want to temporarily hide this observation ..." (Not an error, but a suggestion)
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While trying to add an observation of a mollusc I ran into the following flaws:
Under Appearance: cuttle-fish -> cuttlefish
Under Method: "trush smithy" -> "thrush smithy"
"in relation with": There's a (https://wnimg.nl/static/ico/help.png) that's empty. Suggestion: "If you found the species in a symbiotic relationship with another species, enter it here"
At the (https://wnimg.nl/static/ico/help.png) after "method": "... determinate ..." -> "... identify ..."
When hovering the cursor over the (https://wnimg.nl/static/img/geolocation.png) symbol in the map: "Find mij location" -> "find/use my location"
after "until": "If you want to hide this observation ..." -> "If you want to temporarily hide this observation ..." (Not an error, but a suggestion)
That's a whole bunch of requests which can be solved with my rights.
@Hisko
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https://eur.observation.org/waarneming/view/161518615
'Remark' : wouldn't it be better to use 'Comment'?
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I think you are right:
http://www.differencebetween.info/difference-between-comment-and-remark
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Details of this observation are hidden by the observer.
This is your own observation. Details are visible for you.
I'd say to you.
:right:
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I think you are right:
http://www.differencebetween.info/difference-between-comment-and-remark
OK, changing 'remark' into 'comment'.
I would sense that 'Comments' is better than 'Remarks'; but maybe 'Commentary' better still?
https://eur.observation.org/waarneming/view/161518615?lang=en&local=xx
If a native speaker can comment on this plz?
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I think you are right:
http://www.differencebetween.info/difference-between-comment-and-remark
OK, changing 'remark' into 'comment'.
I would sense that 'Comments' is better than 'Remarks'; but maybe 'Commentary' better still?
https://eur.observation.org/waarneming/view/161518615?lang=en&local=xx
If a native speaker can comment on this plz?
"Feedback or corrections" could be an alternative. Sometimes compliments are given instead of comments. :angel:
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considering:
"This observation is obscured. "
if we'd follow James, we would change this into:
"This sighting is obscured"
or rather:
"Details of this sighting are obscured".
Anyone for?
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Me, probably ;D
Commentary: I certainly wouldn't use commentary here. A commentary is
a) A book of comments about another book, for instance you could write a commentary on the book of Genesis.
b) Live commentary on a football match or other event.
It wouldn't be used for a collection of comments on a sighting. Online British newspapers often have a Comments section at the end of articles where readers can leave a comment on the article (or someone else's comment). They don't have a Remarks section.
James
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Re: thrush smithy. We always called it an anvil so I checked the books last night. BWP (Vol 5, Song Thrush) uses anvil, as does Eric Simms in British Thrushes.
James
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Me, probably ;D
Commentary: I certainly wouldn't use commentary here. A commentary is
a) A book of comments about another book, for instance you could write a commentary on the book of Genesis.
b) Live commentary on a football match or other event.
It wouldn't be used for a collection of comments on a sighting. Online British newspapers often have a Comments section at the end of articles where readers can leave a comment on the article (or someone else's comment). They don't have a Remarks section.
James
ok, corrected: i put 'Comments'.
@ Feedback: I would say that's a word which should be in use for users of the platform, rather than information which comes to a user as a comment. However, I would like to see a 'submit feedback'-button somewhere in the updated version of the platform.
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Soort: Unidentified Fungi => Unidentified Fungus (Fungi is meervoud) :right:
Soortgroepnaam: Mushroom => Fungi (Mushroom is alleen een bepaalde familie) :right:
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Ik was op observado en ik had de kaart van waarnemingen van geelgorzen voor me, ik klikte op afwijkende zeldzaamheid en kreeg de kaart van europa met landen waar een afwijkende zeldzaamheid is.
Boven de kaart stond : Not all countries are politically correct.
Ik vraag me af of dit een taalfout is.
https://observation.org/soort/rar_map/55
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Ik was op observado en ik had de kaart van waarnemingen van geelgorzen voor me, ik klikte op afwijkende zeldzaamheid en kreeg de kaart van europa met landen waar een afwijkende zeldzaamheid is.
Boven de kaart stond : Not all countries are politically correct.
Ik vraag me af of dit een taalfout is.
https://observation.org/soort/rar_map/55
Die zin kan in ieder geval diplomatieker geformuleerd worden. Zoiets
"Observado is aware of border disputes between countries. Not all territorial claims can simultaneously be honored. Therefore differences between the legal border of a specific country and the borders in observado may occur."
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Hallo Erik,
Misschien is het het gemakkelijkste om er neer te zetten "de landsgrenzen betreffen de situatie in 2010, bijvoorbeeld.
Jouw engelse vertaling mag wel politiek correct zijn maar is nogal lang, die tekst zou goed in de/een handleiding passen, voor de betreffende pagina vind ik hem te lang. Maar dat is mijn mening ik zit vrijwel nooit op observado, ik dacht ik gooi even een balletje op,zodat iemand de situatie even kan beoordelen, vr gr rudi
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Het probleem zit ‘m in gebieden die door sommige panden wel en door andere niet als land gezien worden, Taiwan bijvoorbeeld. Niet in een verouderde indeling.
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En grenzen die volgens het ene land zus lopen en het andere land zo, dat komt al helemaal veel voor. Zelfs Nederland heeft decennialang (en tot voor kort) een dergelijke situatie gehad.
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Blijkbaar bestaat formeel het geschil tussen NL en D over de grens bij de Eems nog steeds, al is er sidns 2014 wel een beheerakkoord. Zie https://www.dvhn.nl/groningen/Grensakkoord-voor-Eems-blijft-ver-uit-zicht-22181686.html
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Ik meen me te herinneren dat er eerder dit jaar (dus na het door jou gelinke artikel) een echt akkoord was gesloten. Zal eens op zoek gaan naar hoe t ook alweer zat.
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dit gaat wel over wat grotere zaken. De krim. palestijnse gebieden etc
we zijn ,voor wat dat scherm betreft, afhankelijk van de interpretatie van google
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Tjdens het invoeren van een vogelwaarneming:
https://observation.org/obs/create
'opvliegend' wordt vertaald als 'flushing'.
Dit is niet hetzelfde en 'flushing' is iets wat de waarnemer doet, niet de vogel.
'flushed' is in elk geval beter. Iemand een betere suggestie?
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Als ik een foto verwijder in Observation en ik klik terug dan krijg ik de melding "Error, Foto not found."
Dat moet natuurlijk het Engelse "Photo not found" zijn.
Groet,
Remco Hofland
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Bij de standaardteksten voor admins zou ik ook in alle gevallen graag de volgende regels toegevoegd zien. Zowel in het Nederlands als Engels.
Als je een soort wijzigt ook deze optie toevoegen
EN: This species has (recently) been split in to two or more species. The species has been changed according your reported GPS-location.
NL: Deze soort is (onlangs) in twee of meer soorten gesplitst. De soortnaam van deze waarnemingen is aangepast op basis van de GPS-locatie.
Als een waarneming totaal verkeerde coördinaten heeft en je commentaar wilt geven:
EN: The reported GPS-location of this observation seems to be erroneous due to temporarily malfunctioning of your device. Please adjust the location to a correct GPS-location.
NL: De gemelde GPS-locatie bij deze waarneming is waarschijnlijk verkeerd door een meetfout van uw apparaat waarmee de waarneming is doorgegeven. Wilt u alstublieft de GPS-locatie aanpassen?
Wellicht kan Engelsen/of Nederlands beter, maar deze standaardteksten zouden we veel duidelijk scheppen/typewerk voorkomen.
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Als je een foto invoert in de engelstalige versie krijg je de volgende opmerkingen:
• the photo subject is the species observed
→ komt op mij niet als correct over: "subject in the photo" lijkt me beter
• The best quality is archieved when you reduce the size of the photo to maximum 800 * 800 pixels. Otherwise the server will do this with a , possible, worse result
→ kleine letter "t", "achieved" en "(possibly)"
JanHein
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EN: This species has (recently) been split in to two or more species. The species has been changed according your reported GPS-location.
beter:
EN: This species has (recently) been split in to two or more species. The species has been changed according to your reported GPS-location.
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Als je een foto invoert in de engelstalige versie krijg je de volgende opmerkingen:
• the photo subject is the species observed
→ komt op mij niet als correct over: "subject in the photo" lijkt me beter
• The best quality is archieved when you reduce the size of the photo to maximum 800 * 800 pixels. Otherwise the server will do this with a , possible, worse result
→ kleine letter "t", "achieved" en "(possibly)"
JanHein
:right:
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Onder de menu-optie My Observation.org: List (per province)
Moet dat niet zijn country?
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zeker, maar je had hem al door !
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Alleen zichtbaar voor admins:
Comments
the reciever speaks a different language: English
Dat moet natuurlijk receiver zijn.
Voorbeeld: https://observation.org/waarneming/view/187885560?_popup=1
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Ashy Bee in relationship with Alexanders. ;D
Kan dat worden on?
https://observation.org/waarneming/view/188737028
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Jongens die ik de afgelopen dagen heb gehad om de foutrapporten op te stellen, daarnaast heb ik geprobeerd gebruik te maken van een programma (zopplo (https://zopplo.com/)) waarmee twee versies van het rapport in het Engels en het Nederlands kunnen worden verzonden. Maar ik weet niet of er andere technieken of alternatieven zijn. Wat raden jullie aan?
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Ik erger me al een tijdje aan het steenkolenengels van de website Observation. De slag om wie nu de handigste waarnemingen-website van de wereld is ga je op deze manier ook niet winnen van bijvoorbeeld eBird.
Twee duidelijke voorbeelden:
Bij het invoeren van een waarneming zie je nu (in de Engelse versie) "certain (Uncheck if you are not sure about the determination)".
Dit moet natuurlijk zijn "certain (Uncheck if you are not sure about the ďdentification)". 'Determination' betekent in het Engels zoveel als 'bepaling ' - slaat hier iig de plank geheel mis. 'Identification' staat voor 'identificatie/determinatie'. Een native-speaker heeft in eerste instantie geen flauw benul van wat je hier bedoelt.
Een ander voorbeeld is de term 'flushing'. 'Flushing' is het werkwoord voor '(het toilet) doorspoelen'; de term die je hier bedoelt is 'flushed' ('opgejaagd') hoewel je mogelijk eerder doelt op 'opvliegend', dan zou ik 'taking off' gebruiken. Deze termen kan je invoeren op de webpagina onder Aktiviteit, maar ook in de iObs app (in de Nederlandse versie als 'opvliegend' als ik me niet vergis).
Als ik andere pregnante voorbeelden van onbedoeld hilarisch Engels tegenkom dan meld ik ze hier.
Met vriendelijke groet,
Remco Hofland
PS Ik heb deze post abusievelijk eerst in een ander forum geplaats waarvoor mijn excuses.
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I thank you from the bottom of my heart, and also from my wife's bottom